<table><tr><th>From:</th><th>Bob Berwick</th></tr><tr><td>Sent:</td><td>Saturday, September 5, 2015 6:15 PM</td></tr><tr><td>To:</td><td>Jeffrey E.</td></tr><tr><td>Subject:</td><td>Re:</td></tr></table>

Yes...

Great thin= you are doing for Marvin! DARPA used to be filled with princes of science 3= years ago. No longer I fear. Perhaps some day I'll do 5% o= what these people have done.

On Sep 5, 2015, a= 12:49 PM, jeffrey E. <jeevacat=on@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com» wrote:

worse, danny kahnemans work woudl suggest tha= positive sentiment is expressed once you are already the owner. = not predictive of future, so that if you own china , you speak=highly of it. and then when they devalue everyone is caught wit= their pants down.

re the chomsky challen=e I will fund. and my only role is to stimulate con=ersation amongst you and your colleagues how best to stimulate the sc=ence.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Bob Berwick <ber=ick@csail.mit.edu <mailto:berwick@csail.mit.edu> > wrote:

Hah. All lineages go extinct. One interestin= thing that Steve Gould noted was that this takes about the same time for a=l vertebrates.... For fads too.

On Sep 5, 201=, at 12:16 PM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com» wrote:

it will " evolve" ::))

<u>On Sat,</u> Sep 5, 2015 a= 12:11 PM, Bob Berwick
> wrote:

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Jeffrey

So your view is that the social media jazz is a fad that will fizzle a=c1fade fairly soon, no? Bob

On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:0= AM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com» wrote:

i will spend all the time you like teaching you ab=ut investing and the markets. simpler than it appea=s.. I would like chomsky to follow in the footsteps=nbsp; of hibert, turing , and encourage work in their fiels by p=esenting goals to the disciples.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Bob Berwick

<table><tr><th></th><th>&lt;=iv style="word-wrap:break-word"&gt;Hi Jeffrey,</th></tr><tr><td></td><td>Ah very co=l.</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>So let me try a few out.</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>I guess it partly (! of course!) depends on how much we get to stick into=the</td></tr><tr><td>box. </td><td>I'm fine with prize money, mostly because as you=know from Marvin, there's no
way to get funding for 40=9Creal" problems like these or those that Marvin</td></tr><tr><td>studies, </td><td>So I'd be overjoyed to get some way to fund new stude=ts....</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>Challenge 1. Discriminat=ng language from noise.
This is doable. Partha Niyogi nearl= did it. A six-month effort.</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>Challenge=2. Ah, depends on the sentences and what 'coherent' m=ans.
Does Noam mean 'screwed up in some way'?&amp;nbs=; We're not so far from that.
Further than 1. That s=stem I showed you that can isolate difft factors in</td></tr><tr><td>*syntax* </td><td>as a=small set of constraints can do some of that.
Recall Shimon Ullma='s 'rigidity principle' about the interpretation of=points</td></tr><tr><td>moving </td><td>in the visual field - same coherence idea.</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>Challenges 3 and 4 are much harder, we'd have to kn=w more about 'meaning'</td></tr><tr><td>and 'inference'.</td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td>I wouldn't be happy with statistical curve fitting here.</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>Finally - though I will drop this, because your time is=too valuable and the</td></tr><tr><td>problems you and</td><td>Noam pose are the important=ones, to me — what was your estimate of how</td></tr><tr><td>much that</td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td>twi=ter-in-love entrepeneur would have lost if he did honestly follow his twitt=r-</td></tr><tr><td>predictor during</td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td>the first week of this month? I guess I a= still baffled about the "market" for</td></tr><tr><td>their product unless&lt;=div&gt;</td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td>it's as you say, the market for the new, shiny toys - whic= is just about</td></tr><tr><td>salesmanship, not</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>media stuff&lt;=div&gt;</td><td>science. Anyway, I'=1 drop it - I was just curious as why/how *any* of that social</td></tr></table>

would work. I suppose they will say that they have 300 M use=s, not *all* of

them will be lying...

and one can sort the l=ars from the non-liars....but so what?

## best w=shes bob

On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:20 AM, jeffrey E. <=jeevacation@gmai=.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com» wrote:

noam, as always , =spending time . was great/ first draft. of th= Chomsky Challenge. . Produce a non- living s=stem that can be put into an environment for a while and&=bsp; --- 1. be able to discriminate language from n=ise. . prize . a 1 dollar bill signed by Noam=nbsp; and 100k. . 2. be able to discriminate c=herent sentences from non ( we provide 10 test sentences=nbsp; ). prize a 10 dollar signed Chomsky bill , an= 500k. 3. a language learning module. 20 dollar bill sign=d and 1 million, 4. a sense making module that can understand meaning=inference. . etc. the non recommendation recommenda=ion. . ie the student h=s a nice family. etc. a 100 dollar signed bill and 10 million d=llars. ? --- If your left leaning , is in conflict with a money=prize , we could substitute =---your prize=nbsp; money goes to charity,- airline tickets to th= Gaza strip. - Nicaragua, North Korea, . and 1000 blank ,protest placards ?=nbsp; or top prize includes 1000 protesters of your choic= for three demonstrations :)

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