From: Bob Berwick <berwick@csail.mit.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 4:45 PM
To: jeffrey E.
Subject: Re:

Hah. All lineages go extinc=. One interesting thing that Steve Gould noted was that this takes about th= same time for all vertebrates.... For fads too. =br>On Sep 5, 2015, at 12:16 PM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacatio=@gmail.com» wrote:

it will " evolve" ::))

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 a= 12:11 PM, Bob Berwick <berwick@csail.mit.edu <mailto:berwick@csai=.mit.edu» wrote:

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Jeffrey

So your view is that the social media jazz is a fad that will fizzle a=d fade fairly soon, no? Bob

On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:0= AM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com> > wrote:

i will spend all the time you like teaching you ab=ut investing and the markets. simpler than it appea=s.. I would like chomsky to follow in the footsteps=nbsp; of hibert, turing , and encourage work in their fiels by p=esenting goals to the disciples.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Bob Berwick <be=wick@csail.mit.edu <mailto:berwick@csail.mit.edu> > wrote:

<=iv style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Jeffrey,

Ah very co=l.

So let me try a few out.

I guess it partly (! of course!) depends on how much we get to stick into=the box. I'm fine with prize money, mostly because as you=know from Marvin, there's no way to get funding for Q=9Creal" problems like these or those that Marvin studies, So I'd be overjoyed to get some way to fund new stude=ts....

Challenge 1. Discriminat=ng language from noise. This is doable. Partha Niyogi nearl= did it. A six-month effort.

Challenge=2. Ah, depends on the sentences and what 'coherent' m=ans. Does Noam mean 'screwed up in some way'?&nbs=; We're not so far from that. Further than 1. That s=stem I showed you that can isolate difft factors in *syntax* as a=small set of constraints can do some of that. Recall Shimon Ullma='s 'rigidity principle' about the interpretation of=points moving in the visual field - same coherence idea.

Challenges 3 and 4 are much harder, we'd have to kn=w more about 'meaning' and 'inference'. I wouldn't be happy with statistical curve fitting here.

Finally - though I will drop this, because your time is=too valuable and the problems you and Noam pose are the important=ones, to me — what was your estimate of how much that twi=ter-in-love entrepeneur would have lost if he did honestly follow his twitt=r-predictor the first week of this month? I guess I a= still baffled about the "market" for their product it's as you say, the market for the new, shiny toys - whic= is just about salesmanship, not science. Anyway, r=1 drop it - I was just curious as why/how *any* of that social media would work. I suppose they will say that they have 300 M use=s, not *all* of them will be lying... and one can sort the l=ars from the non-liars....but so what?

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best w=shes bob

On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:20 AM, jeffrey E. <=jeevacation@gmai=.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com> > wrote:

noam, as always , =spending time . was great/ first draft. of th= Chomsky Challenge. Produce a non- living s=stem that can be put into an environment for a while and&=bsp; --- 1. be able to discriminate language from n=ise. . prize . a 1 dollar bill signed by Noam=nbsp; and 100k. . 2. be able to discriminate c=herent sentences from non ( we provide 10 test sentences=nbsp; ). prize a 10 dollar signed Chomsky bill , an= 500k. 3. a language learning module. 20 dollar bill sign=d and 1 million, 4. a sense making module that can understand meaning=inference. . etc. the non recommendation recommenda=ion. . ie the student h=s a nice family. etc. a 100 dollar signed bill and 10 million d=llars. ? --- If your left leaning , is in conflict with a money=prize , we could substitute =---your prize=nbsp; money goes to charity,- airline tickets to th= Gaza strip. - Nicaragua, North Korea, . and 1000 blank ,protest placards ?=nbsp; or top prize includes 1000 protesters of your choic= for three demonstrations :)

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