<table><tr><th>From:</th><th>jeffrey E. &lt;jeevacation@gmail.com&gt;</th></tr><tr><td>Sent:</td><td>Monday, July 11, 2016 2:25 AM</td></tr><tr><td>To:</td><td>Noam Chomsky</td></tr><tr><td>Subject:</td><td>Re:</td></tr></table>

equivalent to walking?

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Noam Chom=ky < > > wrote:

My fault for being too aggressive.=C2. I should have been more sensitive to the situation.

Int=resting image, but (as you know), I think the specific character of cognit=ve (like physical) growth requires more specific mechanisms.

=here have incidentally be studies of "motherese" (the kinds of t=lk used by mothers to babies) and the impact on development of language.=C24, Turns out to be very slight, if any. Lila Gleitman, co-author =f the work on blind children that I mentioned, is one of the leading resea=chers on the topic.

=div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:34 PM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com> > wrote:

yes- more of the story sitting in the Caribbean I hop=. Its possible that the dna writes a score. 4>=A0 the music is played on both the internal instrument and mod=fiied by external experience . I believe a pleasant har=ony might represent the voice of the mother. to in inhibit excitation l>=A0( basic patterns , like lullabys, use humming =here dissonance might represent an alarm or something t= stimulate to the adrenals. baby crying , dissonance animals =issonance, - family members harmony, . coul= it be that the humming of m ( lullaby ) and the exhalat=on of ah. would combine in an effort to mimic the internal har=ony, producing mah. or mom. ? . how is it=that the melody of"pop goes the weasel." has a=simple grammar but a child can tell immediately if a "non gramm=tical " note is played. adults can also tell instantaneously =C2Qin a Mozart symphony of thousands upon thousands of notes. tha= a clunker made it way in ( okok, maybe you=cant ) due to the intra relation of the notes. =C240

FYI. thank you for being patient with =he boy who forgot to take his asperger meds/ 40=AO ( true). .

<u>On Sun, Jul 10,</u> 2016 at 8:08 PM, Noam Chomsky <||
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What is better for =hought than echt Jewish delicatessen food. Glatt kosher, I hope. =br>

Very interesting experiment. It might tell us a lot about m=sical genres and their underlying structure, and the cognitive capacities =hat organize thought, creativity, and experience in these apparently human=specific ways.

On blind children, you might want to look at t=e fascinating study by Landau and Gleitman on the language of the blind: <=>language and Experience: evidence from blind children (or something l=ke that). What is striking is that without visual experience, the bl=nd learn language virtually in parallel with sighted children, with the sa=e changes that plainly have to do with maturation and the very specific in=ernal concepts of human cognition, leading finally to understanding of ext=emely refined visual concepts, all with only minimal experience that can&ft=9;t be directing these developments any more than the nutrition of the emb=yo, while obviously necessary for development, can determine that we have = mammalian rather than visual system. There are also some quite intr=guing differences. E.g., at the age when sighted children acquire th= words/concepts see, look at, etc., blind children also do, but nec=ssarily give a tactile rather than visual interpretation. So for the=blind child, to look at something is to touch it, and to see it is to gras= what it is. The child is therefore surprised to find that its mothe= cannot see the back of the dolls they are holding, since the child can.=C24, Lots of results like these.

What is particularly striki=g, however, is how similar the cognitive growth is to normal physical grow=h, of course elicited by experience but then substantially following its i=ternally determined path. The widely-held belief that cognitive deve=opment is somehow different from the rest of biology in that it is experie=ce-determined is, I think, a residue of traditional dualism -- a kind of &=uot;methodological dualism," which is, I think, more pernicious than =raditional metaphysical dualism, which, in fact, was quite serious and rea=onable science at the time.

Long story.

Noam

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On Sun, Jul=10, 2016 at 8:46 AM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:je=vacation@gmail.com> >=wrote:

happy to provide=some carnegie deli sustenance for thought. <=r>

today I conducted an experiment encouraged by Noam's=C2* wholly justified aggressive and detailed directives to joscha<=span>. . joshcha focused on layers being de=eloped in the brain . the timing for the development of each layer=C243k being different per species .

I postulate that music might be a frosted window into that structure. symphonies begin with their first "=layer " a theme. in fact , there might be more than one theme in the first layer ,4>=A0 , the second part of symphonic form is the complex development stage= where those themes are inverted, deconstructed , reconstructed =tc ,and the development stage takes the most time . in =the conclusion of the symphonic form the recapitulation of all that has come b=fore it forms a " phenenoma of the piece " a whole ,made up of its smaller concepts . =C2. As opposed to listening to music to record which neuron is firing, as mo=t musciolgists attempt . I propose that the music may be the audible result =f those neurons firing, made possible by a select few who would attempt=20 to notate those neuronal firings. Beethoven f=r example.

The experiment . I mashed all o= the four symphonies together , playing recording= of the 3rd 5th 6th 7th all overlayed on each other, playing at the same time. - the way a brain mig=t develop. I

expected an ordered noise but to the surprising cont=ary , IT WAS AMAZING. . you can hear new4lik=A0 "concepts " forming,

it wonder whether in the mind of a blind child , the "=music" would be created even without the visual ref=rencial. but created none the less. later when the visual c=n be tied to concepts , the anatomy may be hijacked to produce sounds . that someh=w relate to the concepts. .

I tried to mix mu=ic from different cultures- it didn't work. African =oes not work with western europe,- chinese works with neither of the other two. but within the same cultu=al music ( the brain of the local species ) the mash ups are=20 beautiful.

I would note=20 that computers engage in "parallel processing" only in orde= to take a hard problem and break it into its component parts , working on each component separately, here each problem Interacts =and the their resolutions interact in remarkable ways.

=AO

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