To: Jeffrey Epstein[jeevacation@gmail.com]



From: bengoerlzel on behalf of Ben Goertzel

Sent: Wed 1/20/2010 6:01:17 AM

Subject: Re: Happy Birthday!! .. etc. ;)

One more thing .. your "high school teacher recommendation letter" analogy is not apropos. Those guys would write me **great** job recommendation letters if I asked them. That's a different issue.

They think I'm a brilliant guy, but they aren't going to endorse somebody *else's* AGI project as being the secret sauce, since they of course are wedded to the (rather different) ideas underlying their own work...

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Ben Goertzel <ben@goertzel.org> wrote:
> Maybe I should wait till after your birthday to pursue the AI
> discussion, but it's fresh in my mind now so I'll send this email now
> ... if you don't feel like reading it on your birthday you'll wait ;-)
> ...
>

>

>

> Seriously, my view is

>

> -- those letters show that, in the view of some prestigious and rather > conservative AI profs, this is not a bogus project. It's a real, > solid research project ... it's good AI research

>

> -- whether the project will lay the golden egg, those profs did not > have the info to judge. And unless someone pays them a bunch of $S to > study my project carefully, they are not going to pay enough attention > to gather enough info to judge

>

> How **I** think you should look at this is: "if Ben has even a 5% > chance of success, it's worth the SS, because the upside potential is > TREMENDOUS"

>

> And I think you SHOULD consider it to have a 5% chance of success ... greater...

>

> The fact that these AI profs think it's interesting but aren't > convinced of its transformative potential, doesn't mean anything > bad... if you think so, you don't understand academics ;-p

>

> If the $$ is an issue for you, I can do this for $500K/year here in > China, using some of my Brazilian team as well.

>

> $1.5M for the first true breakthrough in AI history, and a big step > toward the Singularity ;-) ... it's a lot of SS to most people, but > not much to you. What else are you donating to that has the same > potential? The labs you've funded at Harvard and MIT and Stanford are > good labs, but they're not going to change the world.... My project > will, if someone with SS and vision will fund it...

>

> But, you already know what I think and feel.... I'm not a salesman; > and I don't really know how else to convince you, except to somehow > build the damn thing on somebody else's dollar, and then along with > everyone else you'll see in retrospect that I actually wasn't full of > shit ;p

>

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Ben Goertzel <blackened out> wrote:
>> Oh, by the way, I was so concerned about my AI project I didn't notice
>> you mentioned your birthday in the chat...

>> Happy birthday!! ;-)

> Now if you want to have 100000 more birthdays you should fund my AI
> project so we can create a thinking machine that will solve the
> problem of mortality!!! ;-D

ben

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>> Ben Goertzel, PhD
>> CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC
>> Director of Research, Singularity Institute for AI
>> External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China

>> "I have a deep nostalgia for the future." -- Max More

> Ben Goertzel, PhD
> CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC
> Director of Research, Singularity Institute for AI
> External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China

> "I have a deep nostalgia for the future." -- Max More
>

Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, Singularity Institute for AI External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China

"I have a deep nostalgia for the future." -- Max More

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