From: Joscha Bach <
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 10:53 PM
To: Jeffrey Epstein
Subject: Re:

Octopi =ave a reputation for extreme creativity, i.e. they can observe things =n their environment, simulate them mentally in several ways, come up =ith a solution and then enact it. Virus =ntelligence is an emergent thing, over many viruses. The individual =irus either succeeds or fails. A virus is like a thought, not like a =ind.

Am =ar 6, 2017 um 5:50 PM schrieb Jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com>:

watch the octupus, find its prey, is it =reative.? is it intelligent? are virus =reatvie? finding new methods to infect the host. = hackers

On Mon, =ar 6, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Joscha Bach < > wrote:

It seems that =uch of what we call intelligence could be described as detecting causal =tructure in a domain. Causality means that you have a model that tells =ou how change of a condition will influence the distribution of =utcomes. Of course, crabs do that too, to an extent.

When I was in Munich, a patent lawyer =hallenged me to come up with a definition of creativity from a machine =earning perspective. He has to judge the originality of inventions, and =omething that a domain expert can come up with "naturally"=does not count as an invention, even if it has never been done =efore.

Learning =ystems tend to move along gradients, and the "natural =olution" of the domain expert can be seen as an extrapolation =f the solution space along the known gradients, until an optimum is =ound. Creativity seems to involve crossing discontinuities in the =roblem space, i.e. do more than follow the gradients. It is not magic, =f course; you can use evolutionary methods/Monte Carlo etc., but you rind that many domain experts are capable without being =reative.

Can we measure the ability of different animals for =reativity?

Am Mar 6, 2017 um 3:23 PM schrieb jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com>:

i see it as a complex =ystem agents are building many things. dependent on the =ocal condition. some take off as useful in other parts of =he system, monkeys using tools? I think the =erm intelligence is too vague.. a crab using a lure to catch its =rey. is a bio inspired =rosthetic. it arguaabley evolved. =ut cant be sure.

On Mon, =ar 6, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Joscha Bach < > wrote:

=rosthetics?

I =gree that humans share an important similarity with cells, i.e. they =ave mechanisms that suppress individual competition when it conflicts =oo much with group selection. Without such mechanisms, group selection =ails, because within each group, defectors have a local =dvantage.

The =implest mechanism to enforce cooperation is reputation, but it works =nly when others are looking, and manage to keep tallies. To do better =han that, evolution has to breed a virtual next level regulator into =he individual, which may be your missing "top down for humans". = system of norms and taboos, for instance a religion or ideology that =eople pick up from their environment.

Individuals can decide, but in social =ontexts, the utility of decisions is given by how well we understand =he constraints under which we operate.

Am Mar 6, 2017 um 10:50 AM =chrieb Jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com

<mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com> >:

no, i disagree =nbsp;, the spaceship is only an advanced prosthetic. . . =nbsp;not interesting at all. . interesting is we have no idea =hat the top down for humans is. . collective . group =ehavior, I dont see any differnce between humans and =ells , just a different layer of the same. . =regulatory systems. action s feedbacks and " learning " ,. =nbsp; all with no goal . the goals are illusions. . that the =ndiv thinks they decide. like the soldier ant that is =ecapitualted to a garbage ant if the garbage ants are wiped out. =nbsp;the soldier ant thinks it made the decision. . =nbsp;

████████████ On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Joscha Bach <████████████████████████████████
<mailto:████████████████████████>> > =rote:

Exactly! Sensors like that are =ften one of these solution that get you 80% of the way with 20% of the =ffort. Except that minds that take 15 years to train are o dramatically =ore expensive that almost no species can afford them (but they end up =etting you to the moon, which no prosthesis can).

Am Mar =, 2017 um 7:08 AM schrieb Jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com>:

they=may have physical prothesitcs like cat whiskers. to =nable it to guage

widith of hole.

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Joscha Bach <████████████████████████████████
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Most animals don't =ave a self model, probably because they don't have complex enough =rains or long enough training phases (childhoods) to do =eta-regulation.

> On Mar 5, 2017, at 16:48, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Law of large numbers is all that is needed

> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:46 PM Joscha Bach <

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