<table><tr><th>From:</th><th>Deepak Chopra</th></tr><tr><td>Sent:</td><td>Friday, March 17, 2017 9:41 AM</td></tr><tr><td>To:</td><td>Jeffrey E.</td></tr><tr><td>Subject:</td><td>Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language</td></tr></table>

Awareness = consciousness

There is liver cell

Humans made up the word and gave a name to a mode of knowing experience =nd behavior

There is no Jeffrey or deepak either . These are all symbols --and human=constructs for reality --which is nameless formless spaceless timeless. Ev=ryone is bamboozled by the superstition of matter. Its a convincing halluc=nation so everyone should forgiven

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From: jeffrey E. <jeevac=tion@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:09:10 PM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language

you are the same as a liver cell . a com=lex system aware of its surrounding and takes actions in response to=its enviromnet and internal state. after taking measurements. &=bsp; . the liver cell is aware. it might als= fool itself into thinking it is conscious. . . ssee you soon

Thanks Donald !

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Yes, I agree that the spacetime universe is a human construct. It is n=t the fundamental reality. Physicists are now recognizing this. They say, =93Spacetime is doomed," meaning it is not the fundamental reality that t=ey had hoped it would be. They don't know what is the fundamental reality, and are searching for it. But they d=n't want to take seriously the idea that consciousness might be the fund=mental reality. I saw this first hand when I participated in the FQXi conf=rence in Banff last summer, where physicists and cosmologists met to grapple with the fundamental nature of =eality. Chalmers was there too, and spoke about consciousness.

<u>On Mar 16,</u> 2017, at 7:34 PM, Deepak Chopra
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Agree

Thanks

However the space time universe is a human construct - linguistically =peaking - language used by humans to describe knowing and experience / per=eptions in awareness ?

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Dear Deepak,

Yes, I would say that the sensory appar=tus and brain are species-specific icons. My entire body is just an icon. =hen I move my hand and grab something, even that movement is just an icon.=l don't know what I am really doing in objective reality—I only know my own actions under the limits of=the descriptions available within my interface. Genes, animals, speci=s, and even spacetime itself are just icons.

The evolutionary arguments against true=nbsp;perceptions do not hold against true logic and math, since we do=need to reason about fitness payoffs—two bites of an apple give rou=hly twice the payoff as one bite, for instance. There are no selection pressures to be geniuses at math and logic, and few of us=are. But we need to have enough competence to get the payoffs we need.

I wouldn't say that the spa=etime universe is itself a conscious agent, but that it is the format=of the interface of human conscious agents.

I am working on a mathematical theory&n=sp;of how conscious agents evolve languages to better understand each=other. It seems that they can get more information about each other withou= violating the second law of thermodynamics, if they hillclimb mutual information. Fun research ahead on this one!=/span>

Love,
Don

On Mar 16, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Deepak Chopra <

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Dear Don

Would you say that the sensory apparatus and brain - eyes ears other s=nses are

species specific icons ( symbols ) for modes of knowing and exper=ence - seeing hearing thinking feeling imagining etc Also it seems to me that humans by giving names to modes of knowing an=

experience ( perception ) have created the universe as a human construct = Everything from a quark to a boson to a galaxy is a name or description b=stowed by humans to a mode of knowing or experience in awareness . This holds true for what we call a body mind =enes other animals and species

Taxonomy is symbol making for knowing and experience . Do we know anything about the origin of symbolic language including

ma=hematics?

What does evolution say ? The entire universe is our construct - a spe=ies of consciousness - what you call a conscious agent Love

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