To: Lawrence Krauss
Cc: Jeffrey Epsteinfieeyacation@gmall.com]
From: Lawrence Krauss
Sent Tue 2/2/2010 4:15:56 PM
Subject: Re: following up

more thoughts in the shower this morning.. maybe your foundation is all you need in this regard.. but ASU has the Arizona State University FOundation.. a private foundation designed to support programs at the university.. money can be given there with a specific mandate.. so, for example, money could go there specifically to Origins, or to me, to run periodic programs on radical science ideas.. it could be structured to be almost completely separate from the university.. including providing support for housing and offices elsewhere..including for Martin at Harvard if you want, for example... and could be restricted to just pay for such programs and not any day to day university admin etc.. Also, you should know that with Paul Davies at the Beyond Center we also have a tradition of radical scicncc programs..

anyway.. thoughts for the morning.

Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, Origins Initiative
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 | Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Assistant (Jessica): 480-965-9825

On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Lawrence Krauss wrote:

thanks Jeffrey.. it was great fun.. I really enjoyed it. I understand re gathering.. and re arizona..

will also try to think creatively... maybe a 501c3 that funds interesting science programs to be held here...

anyway am supposed to talk to Bamaby this week..

thanks.. will talk.

On Feb 2, 2010, at 3:48 AM, Jeffrey Epstein wrote:

I understand, on a personal note„ thanks .,that was great fun„ I wouldn't get my hopes up about a large gift to asu, i have little interest in building or helping institutuions , arizona offers little beside you. my foundation needs to be used of fund science that others might find too radical. making a hit with the university does not qualify. We should talk about a gathering. I think barnably and templeton could be useful to you. I will help

- On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Lawrence Krauss <
wrote:

SO, how to follow up on the weekend? My thoughts:

I. first, if you want to come to AZ in Feb for the human uniqueness event or part of it (Feb 18-22), let me know and I can help you make arrangements.

2. We need to get Martin and some others out to AZ.. and we need to start some interesting programs. I don't know where you want to go from here.. I understand that you want to make sure your support goes to interesting work and fun, and not other things.. I also understand that in order to keep the remarkable reservoir of goodwill I built up with the Origins Symposium, I need to make a 'hit' as far as the University is concerned.. i.e. bring in money to support this stuff.. just got $100K gift, and have applied with the Ed. School for $2.5M for a program to improve middle school science ed using origins.. I would like to explore with you what we can do that is creative to both free me up to work, and to allow origins to sponsor exciting stuff. Also.. to see if we can funnel money to Martin via ASU, which, as I said is entrepreneurial.. I would suggest $5M for some combination of programming, staffing, and space to faciliate all this, with a clear mandate to run programs on exciting forefront topics including evolutionary dynamics, the physical basis of biology, the physics ofinformation processing including quantum computing, and also outstanding questions in gravity.

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